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Poll – Scott Roeder: Christian Hero, or Murderer?
Scott Roeder shot abortionist George Tiller today, outside Tiller’s Lutheran church. Is Roeder a Christian Hero, or a Murderer?
Roeder has been involved in Operation Rescue, the pro-life organization known for [pick one: "saving thousands of infants from slaughter" or "traumatizing countless distraught women and making terrorist threats"] for some time. In fact, he’d been working hard to draw more attention to Tiller and get people who shared his beliefs to Tiller’s church since at least 2007.
Scott Roeder Says:
May 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
Bleass everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp.
Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn’t seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller.
Tiller has, in fact, long been a target of Operation Rescue for his performance of late-term abortions on demand.
You are invited to join Operation Rescue on May 17-20 [2007] in Wichita, Kansas, the “Nation’s Abortion Capital,” to pray for an end to George R. Tiller’s late-term abortion business and for all pre-born babies everywhere to once again come under the protection of law.
Tiller was charged with 30 criminal counts related to the commission of illegal late-term abortions only to have them dismissed by pro-abortion politicians on dubious jurisdictional grounds.
In 2007, Operation Rescue put together a video about “Tiller the Killer”:
Scott Roeder knew for a long time that Tiller was murdering babies . . . babies that could survive as premature births at their 22-week or later point of development! Roeder knew that, instead of counseling the wanton whores who co-conspired with him to commit infanticide to bear the babies and put them up for adoption, Tiller tore them to pieces because they were “inconvenient” to these so-called “mothers”, happily collecting fee for service! Roeder was outraged!
The law failed to stop Tiller, so Roeder, in his mind, went around the law to bring justice to Tiller.
The Bible does say that murderers should be put to death. In this, Roeder is entirely correct! Does this make him a Christian Hero, who sacrificed his own freedom (there’s no death penalty in Kansas) to defend those who can’t defend themselves?
Some would say yes. People familiar with the Bible know that there’s a glitch.
God commands Christians to be subject to their Earthly leaders. (See Romans 13.) They are supposed to follow the law. Breaking the law is therefore a sin.
Does Roeder then deserve the death penalty for having committed murder? You decide, in our poll!
Personally, I don’t think this could have come at a worse time for Christians . . . after Janet Napolitano’s recent claim that Iraq War veterans and pro-life groups should be considered possible right-wing extremist terrorist organizations!
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A great day for unborn children scheduled to be murdered by Babykilling Abortionist George Tiller.
Now those children lives are spared from the Kansas BabyButcher, George Tiller.
George Tiller reaped what he sowed and is now in eternal hell.
Psalm 55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
Rev. (sic) Spitz’s opinion on the beliefs or behavior of others should carry no weight whatsoever. He uses his own website to try to make heroes out of murdering terrorists like Paul Hill, Eric Rudolph, John Salvi, James Kopp and now Scott Roeder. Therefore, the recent designation of Spitz’s Army of God as a domestic terrorist group by the Virginia State Police is very appropriate. Spitz is so delusional that he thinks that he was ordained by the International Gospel Crusade, a denomination that only exists in his imagination. This makes Spitz even more of a concern.
I agree that this gives “proof” to Napolitano’s claim that pro-life activists are dangerous extremists.
Is it possible Roeder was brainwashed by Obama’s Homeland Security forces to commit this act, to help Obama paint all pro-lifers as domestic terrorists?
You mean, like Laurence Harvey, as S. Sgt. Raymond Shaw USA, in /The Manchurian Candidate/ (1962)? Sorry, but the CIA tried for years to “brainwash” people like that, and couldn’t make it work. See http://www.conservapedia.com/Brainwashing for more details. What everyone said was “brainwashing” was nothing more than than our pilots were not made of the moral fibre to resist. British pilots didn’t “talk” that way.
Besides, Scott Roeder was always whacked, and no one ever said of him that “Scott Roeder is the kindest, warmest, bravest, most wonderful human being I have ever known in my life,” or anything close.
No. Scott Roeder either gave himself an excuse to act out his aggressions, or else he was and is a double agent.
what the hell has Obama got to do with this man killing someone. People like you are just as much an extremist as Roeder. The only thing I agree with is your first paragraph
Is this a Poe? It seems far too stupid to be a legitimate web site…
People who disagree with your point of view are stupid?
Thank you for demonstrating what you liberals call “tolerance”.
(c) Terrorist! Roeder committed murder to advance a moral position. He deserves life in prison.
I agree with sgt renfrew, the guy is a terrorist and was egged on by fundamentalist religious terrorists, they should all be prosecuted accordingly if found to be complicit. I think a legal argument can be made that certain fundamentalist groups run afoul of the law and should be charged with inciting a riot. Pro Life my big gray donkey! However I don’t believe in the death penalty.
I rejoice that Mr. Tiller was stopped, not that his life was taken. I will pray for Scott Roeder and his family. Like Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who tried and failed to assassinate Adolph Hitler, what he did was against the law, and as such, he and his family have a hard road ahead of them.
The guy is a religious fundamentalist terrorist. Slap a Not Wanted on the Voyage sticker on his head and lock him away for the rest of his life.
Roeder has sacrificed his freedom in order to save the lives of the unborn. Tiller is no longer able to practice murder on weekdays and practice hypocrisy on Sunday.
Hero! He not only did what was right and moral, in defending those little pre-born babies, he also owned up to what he did and prepared to take the consequences. Wish we had more like him!
I voted for the Terrorist! option because it was the closest to the truth, but I wouldn’t advocate the death penalty, even for this murderer. I suspect many of the voters feel the same, and I am sad that the poll is biased in this way. What a monster this Roeder is.
The people who are condemning Tiller’s work need to be reminded that he frequently saved women’s lives by ending pregnancies that had serious, life-threatening complications. Even if you’re anti-choice, it’s awfully stupid to ONLY be pro-life for the unborn. The woman’s life is NOT less important than the unborn child’s life. If you think it is, you’re lying when you call yourself pro-life. It’s as simple as that.
In Nazi Germany and occupied Poland the law of the land forbid anyone from hiding Jews. The people that disobeyed the law of the land and hid Jewish people are now considered heroes. When I found out that Tiller was killed I felt the wheels of trancendent justice left skid marks all over Tiller the killer. To die like a animal in church in front of family and friends is a fitting demise to this butcher. 60,000 late term abortions, a.k.a. babies, were murdered by this crap head. Maybe in 60 years group thought will consider Mr. Roeder a hero. I already do.
Christian Reyes … he is estimated to have done 60,000 abortions. Very few were late term. Stop distorting the truth.
Dr, Warren Wierdsbe … you are evil incarnate if you truly wish that more people kill for their cause.
Wow, he murdered 60,000 innocent, pre-born babies?
What would you think of him if he’d killed 6 babies after they’d been born, because the mothers didn’t want them?
You think you’re kidding, about killing babies after they are born? Peter W. Singer at Princeton University has called for precisely that!
What?!
You read that right, Mr. Green. Peter W. Singer has said that the law ought to wait *one month* following birth to declare personhood, in case the mother changes her mind and doesn’t want the child. Even Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) didn’t go that far, though she went far enough: she said that a baby isn’t a person until the mother brings him/her home.
Is Mr. Singer following a Biblical justification? Some people say that, since the census-taking directed in the Bible did not include babies under one month of age as “people” that the same treatment should be given to pre-born babies and the recently born.
Peter Singer is not following the Bible at all. He is, as far as I have been able to determine, a stone-cold atheist. He is /inventing/ his “ethical system” as he goes.
Well, that’s what atheists do. I have often wondered what stops them from raping people and engaging in cannibalism, since they do not have God to teach them right from wrong.
What stops them? Depends on which ones you’re asking. If it’s a left-of-center atheist, the answer is politics: women represent a constituency in the Grand Liberal Coalition. (Except that Bill Clinton made rape a nasty habit, and the women’s group leaders made light of it.) A student of Objectivism (i.e. Ayn Rand-ism) will tell you that law and order is a good and valuable thing for rational people to have and to keep. But I suspect that a lot of them flatly say that persons who can’t or won’t defend themselves, have no rights.
In other words, atheistic ethics is utilitarian. Just law is law that works best, according to their lights.
christian reyes – you’re a lunatic. To celebrate the killing of another is exactly what the muslim terrorists also do. I’m sure you recognize the craziness when THEY kill, but you don’t recognize the craziness when your religion kills. Sheer lunacy and this is why religion may well end up killing mankind, because the differences are unreconcilable, and you’re all 100% certain you are right.
Um, Reyes, I think you’re history is a bit off there. Abortion was legal in germany under some circumstances and the the Nazi’s made it illegal, even imposing a death sentence on doctors who performed abortions. Of course, they also mandated abortions for some groups (Jews, communists, the mentally retarded). It seems pretty clear that the Nazi’s were the anti-choice group, not the pro-choice group. Way to not understand history or authoritarianism!
Way to not bother to read the comment you’re responding to! Mr. Reyes said nothing about abortion in Germany under the Nazis.
Okieprof….way to not read Reyes post! He wasn’t talking about abortion in Germany. He was talking about how breaking the law was the right thing to do in the cases of hiding Jews and now families like the Ten Booms are seen as brave hero’s now days. Boy I hope “Prof” doesn’t stand for any type of teacher. Put the bottle down and get some rest. Anyway, I don’t advocate for killing anyone but I AM glad that killerTiller will not be killing children anymore. Yes, yeah yeah yeah…there are some cases that killer preformed partial birth abortions on that were to save a mother or even because a baby had such a serious problem that it would not have servived outside the mother. Really, this is NOT the type of case that us pro-lifers worry about. These type of cases are probably less than 5% of his caseload. He worked with another doctor to make up reasons (like depression) to kill a healthy baby that could have just as well been delivered by C-section and survived to go on to an adoptive home or family placement. Seriously! A child born at 24 weeks has a 50% chance of survival. My friend adopted a child at this age and he is perfectly healthy at 2 years old now. To think of a 32 week old child who has a 95% survival rate and low rate of ANY long term effects……and just pull her out and kill her cause the mom thinks its OK?!? Get her counciling and support, not an abortion!! So, how many lives do you suppose this killer saved?
Scott Roeder is the worst loose cannon on the gundeck of justice in the last eight years of the annals of justice.
George Tiller needed to be brought to trial–and if he was to be acquitted, we still would have accomplished our purpose. That acquittal, whether by prosecutorial negligence or jury nullification, would have stood as a testimony against the American judicial system, a thing for which the powers-that-be-who-rule (Romans 13) would have been duly held to answer at the Great White Throne Judgment.
Well, Scott Roeder has cheated us out of that and created a martyr.
It’s enough to make me ask: Was Scott Roeder an agent provocateur?
“It’s enough to make me ask: Was Scott Roeder an agent provocateur?”
I hadn’t thought of that. You think he was a double agent? Spending years in the pro-life movement when really he was an infanticide fan?
The original author has his previous communications. They fairly scream of provokatsiya, as I believe one says it in Russian. Operation Rescue knew what they were doing, and it was exactly as I said: either to send Tiller up the river, or else embarrass and shame the courts, the AG, the Governor, both Senators, and anyone else on George Tiller’s favorite contribution list. Killing him served no useful purpose, and now–this is a fact–it has provoked one person to state publicly that “progressive” people ought to punch street preachers in the face, spray Mormon missionaries with garden hoses, “key” any automobile having an ICHTHOUS emblem, and even shoot people, as Tiller was shot. That person also said that creationists should be denied all “science-based medical care”: “They won’t distribute morning-after pills; their families don’t get antibiotics.” Read my blog entry, ‘”Scientific” Medicine?’ on my blog, http://creationtimes.wordpress.com/. And know this: I have collateral proof of what I say, in the form of screenshots from Digg.com, which I can submit to the moderators here or to any LEA, if required.
Oh, I believe that some radical atheist would say things like that. But what difference does it make if one radical atheist says ridiculous things?
Was it anyone important, like Obama?
The difference this time is that the person involved said it in all seriousness and gave me every indication of being the sort of person who would actually carry out the threats that he expressed and implied. Indeed, the Digg.com moderators took his comments seriously enough, perhaps after twenty-four hours of worsening publicity, to delete his comments and suspend or revoke his voting and submission privileges.
And I can assure you: as far as I can tell, it was not the President, Vice-President, or any other civil officer or Member of Congress. Or at least, the user did not purport to be any such person.
So . . . it was basically “some guy”? Well, there are plenty of crazy people around. Why, just look at the people who claim Tiller the Killer was a hero!
One of Tillers own employees estimated that they aborted 500 babies a year that were between 24 and 30 weeks gestation. We are NOT talking embryos. I have been to a NICU and seen 24-30 weeks preemies and THEY ARE BABIES! Many go home with minimal care – just feed them and keep them warm. It doesn’t matter what your OPINION on the abortion issue is – the government is sanctioning the serial murder of babies – JUST LOOK AT THE PHOTOS, if you can. Go to a NICU, see the babies there and picture what is done during a D&E or a D&X – No THINKING person can believe in their heart that such procedures should be legal. This is not an academic debate. Only 2% of late-term abortions are due to gross fetal abnormalities (and the doctors are not alway right.) If it’s LIFE OR DEATH situation (not the unenforceable “health of the mother”) then it should be the mother’s choice whether she or her baby dies – that’s triage – but a Tiller spokeswoman said 75% of their abortions were were not for any medical reason whatsoever. By my math, this make Tiller a serial killer at a rate of one baby per day. When the government doesn’t protect Life, Liberty and Property – should not something be done. If you go to Tea Parties but can’t understand what Scott Roeder felt he had to do, do you really understand what the Founders were talking about? Conservatives worried about government tyranny in the Liberty and Property realms should not be so quick to dismiss Roeder as a extremist doing damage to the cause. My gripe with Roeder is that he didn’t stay at the church and wait for the authorities – that would have solidified his hero status in my book.
Yes, if he had stayed at the scene and surrendered himself for trial, he would have made a much more respectable picture. Christ would have us accept full responsibility for our acts.
The problem: in order to introduce those grim statistics into evidence, he would have to plead “not guilty on the basis of justifiable homicide,” or maybe “not guilty on the basis of temporary insanity,” if Kansas, like Michigan, accepted “an impulse that he was powerless to control” as a legal excuse for murder. (I am not a lawyer, and have not had time to research the court precedents in Kansas.) His defense counsel would in essence be shooting for jury nullification. And I cannot imagine how he could possibly introduce those statistics into evidence.
He is a terrorist but even Scott is not as pathetic as the either illiterate or ignorant so called human beings that defend his actions in murdering Tiller. The law in Tiller’s state say’s two doctor’s have to say the pregnancy being terminated is endangering the mother’s life and a court of law found that Dr Tiller followed this law in only terminating pregnancies that were dangerous to the mother’s health. This man was saving lives and was murdered for that.It is a shame that we are oversea’s fighting terrorism when we have so many terrorists at home. These people try to blame there disgusting actions on God by they are fighting for christianity.I am a christian and know that god is not to blame for the rejects of the world.These people do not even have enough class to know how to properly behave at a funeral. I think they should make extreme late term abortion legal and abort Scott Roeder and the rest of his trashy follower’s.
I agree with your colume completely
Every abortionist like tiller should suffer the same fate.
Perhaps. But that is for a duly constituted court of law to decide.
And if the courts don’t decide that way, then the spectacle of abortionists walking about loose remains as a testimony against them, and the society that constitutes them.
But when any of us takes the law into his own hands, that spectacle becomes a testimony against us.
Roeder is indeed a hero. His heroic actions saved untold hundreds, perhaps thousands of innocent lives. Tiller was a murdering madman intent on destroying human life. He will not be missed.
Thanks a million and please continue the rewarding work. Its like you read my mind! You seem to know so much about this, like you wrote the book in it or something. I think that you can do with some pics to drive the message home a little bit, but other than that, this is wonderful blog.